Posts by The Rebel

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Awesome New Books on JW's, MUST READ!

by johnny depp in

hey, i just thought i let you guys know about these two books i read:jehovah's witnesses, what lies behind the truththe watchtower society, organizational misbehaviorboth books by gabriel h ibarra.

awesome!

The Rebel

Thanks for the links Blondie.

I think books exposing the watchtower have limitations in the message they convey, because of:-

A) Cost.

B) The degree they inform is more the authors self-assertion than facts that can be questioned.

Also we now have websites like this which I believe have:-

A) Greater education.

B) Come free of charge.

C) And subject to the moderating of the site owner, offer people greater psychological help in coming to terms with the damaging effects of discovering a life spent in a cult than a book can ever do. So in my opinion books of this nature and the information contained in them quickly become "dated" and reach a smaller audience than the platform this site gives our voice.

The Rebel.

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I thought we were on the weaker side....

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

but i now firmly believe the internet will conquer the watchtower.

i say this because before the internet such educational truth had to be searched for in books and the authority of the author was often held with suspicion.

so i think the important questions should now be:-.

The Rebel

My personal observation is that discovering T.T.A.T,T can result in a luck of self-confidence and self esteem.These feelings of insecurity in a belief can result in a poster coming across as arrogant, when inwardly they are very insecure and not emotionally ready to fully accept or challenge their belief in God and the bible.

I therefore firmly believe praising the effort people are making in accepting facts, is more healthy than concentrating on a few comments they may have made which can't be substantiated. I say this because I believe balancing realism with confidence takes time, particularly when a person is inwardly insecure, and is coping with also discovering T.T.A.T.T.

The Rebel.

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Why do people just give their money to the Watchtower?

by WireRider in

what do they contribute to humanity?

what do they contribute to any part of society?.

why are people paying for a scam?.

The Rebel

WireRider:- " Why do people just give their money to the Watchtower?"

The REBEL:- I will first provide a positive responce to the question. In the Uk:-

A) Giving in general is declining in congregations.

B) The average annual amount of money per publisher is declining.

C) I would also assume that with the decrease in distribution and size of the magazines, the money received from the door to door activity is decreasing.

Now the negative responce:-

What angers me is all the property the society inherits rather than family homes being a family inheritance.

The Rebel.

91

Science Will Never Contradict The Bible

by Perry in

so claims nuclear physicist

The Rebel

Cofty to Perry " What books that present the scientific evidence of evolution have you read?

Are you ever going to answer this question?

The Rebel (A) You have asked " Perry" an objective question, and in your logical world that requires an answer that revolves around "his" intellect. Yet in my opinion " Perry" believes in a world of hope and faith, which your intellect, scientific evidence and logic won't accept. Maybe books that present scientific evidence of evolution have as much truth to " Perry" as books on faith and hope would to you. So to be fair and balanced:-

What latest books on faith and hope have you read in the last 5 yeas?

The Rebel.

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I thought we were on the weaker side....

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

but i now firmly believe the internet will conquer the watchtower.

i say this because before the internet such educational truth had to be searched for in books and the authority of the author was often held with suspicion.

so i think the important questions should now be:-.

The Rebel

pbrow " I have regular discussions with family members about the injustice,errors and outright lies the watchtower perpetrates but they outright refuse to search things out on the Internet and read apostate materials"

The Rebel (A) I believe If the Internet does not destroy parents faith in the Watchtower, it will destroy their children's faith ( I only hope It's not an overlapping generation of children :-) )

The Rebel.

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I thought we were on the weaker side....

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

but i now firmly believe the internet will conquer the watchtower.

i say this because before the internet such educational truth had to be searched for in books and the authority of the author was often held with suspicion.

so i think the important questions should now be:-.

The Rebel

but I now firmly believe the Internet will conquer the Watchtower. I say this because before the Internet such educational truth had to be searched for in books and the authority of the author was often held with suspicion.

So I think the important questions should now be:-

A) What websites help.

B) What websites are counter productive.

C) How seriously do we appreciate the privalige this site gives us personally" to defeat the Watchtoer and help lurkers?

I have many opinions on this, but I must say I appreciate the platform this site has given me to help educate those doubting the watchtower. I also firmly believe if I was a doubting witness the last two weeks on this site have shown me what an attractive and friendly place of education apostate sites can be.

The Rebel.

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CEDARS (Again) Is it really about religious beliefs?

by Listener in

jw
friends

john cedars has posted his latest blog "the trouble with apostates (and why it shouldn't put you off becoming one)".

i acknowledge that he is entitled to his opionin just as we are ours but i am disappointed in some of his comments.. at this stage i'll try to be objective about it.

he is defending his own position after all.. what bothers me most is his comments about athiests and christians which he seems to identify as being in conflict with each other.

The Rebel

In my wanderings to find myself having left the " truth" I can recount how I found a personal relationship with God. It was wonderful. Now I am an athiest, and as I look back on my journey and how I passed through those stages, I realise I never deceived myself, I was always sincere. And I wouldn't expect anything less from those that believe in God. Just a different less earthly form of seeing the world.

If the above comments seem irrelevant to this thread, it's because l meant to post them on another thread....

The Rebel

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It seems the 'end' might come by way of humans stupidity, not a plan of a god

by sowhatnow in

http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-we-re-on-the-brink-of-earth-s-sixth-mass-extinction.

pretty obvious, we've deforested the planet so much it cant clean the air, we've polluted the water so much its not fit to drink, we've poisoned the soil so much it cant grow food, we use so many chemicals, its killing off the insects who pollinate.

so while on post on this site claims the end of freedom for mankind, by way of evil governments, .

The Rebel

DJS thanks for the reply and "Noted" but can recycling my bottles be supported by "real" evidence that it makes a "difference" to the environment?

The Rebel

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It seems the 'end' might come by way of humans stupidity, not a plan of a god

by sowhatnow in

http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-we-re-on-the-brink-of-earth-s-sixth-mass-extinction.

pretty obvious, we've deforested the planet so much it cant clean the air, we've polluted the water so much its not fit to drink, we've poisoned the soil so much it cant grow food, we use so many chemicals, its killing off the insects who pollinate.

so while on post on this site claims the end of freedom for mankind, by way of evil governments, .

The Rebel

Well DJS maybe I will loose your vote for M.I.P. Most improved poster.

But interpretating your last post, are you not saying how deluded most citizens are, who walk the streets and consider recycling makes a change to climate change?

I would say. Perhaps it does, perhaps not- who can really foretell?

You see my point is, that each recycled bottle can is real progress and not inertia, simply because often it is the biggest impact an individual feels they can personally make. Admittedly it's not such a noble act, but it's integrity.

The Rebel.

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It seems the 'end' might come by way of humans stupidity, not a plan of a god

by sowhatnow in

http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-we-re-on-the-brink-of-earth-s-sixth-mass-extinction.

pretty obvious, we've deforested the planet so much it cant clean the air, we've polluted the water so much its not fit to drink, we've poisoned the soil so much it cant grow food, we use so many chemicals, its killing off the insects who pollinate.

so while on post on this site claims the end of freedom for mankind, by way of evil governments, .

The Rebel

DJS, thank you for your posts, which i believe in your opinion were essentially pointing out how deluded many citizens of society are about climate change?

Anyway maybe the truth is probably most people are not us educated as you on these matters.They may also not have the intelligence to understand " confirmationally based information". But would you not agree, that at least by showing an interest in our environment,even if it's a deluded interest they are showing an ethical passion and love for the world and humanity which is better than sitting on a comfortable sofa watching reality T.V?

The Rebel.